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A place to discuss agriculture/permaculture/husbandry/subsistence and related topics

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is this just like an eco fascist thing i saw it on twitter or is it just like weird anarchists
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I honestly liked this piece better than inhabit, I wish they had decided to push this book really hard instead of inhabit. This book has much more actual content while roughly getting across the same message the authors were trying to give off in inhabit.


pls someone post the book Im not gonna enable js


Yo. WTF is this site?! It's fucking terrible; it's full nu-4dit or Faceboomer memes and people who barely know how to use imageboards. Even 4dit /an/ have more serious discussions than here lol. Does exist a more decent imageboard that have an /an/ or /eco/ board?


Oh, forgot to add in the last sentence "that aren't dead."



Only retarded children use imageboards anyway, even at the best of times everyone on an imageboard is random losers who have no friends who are under 23yo. If you are complaining that the imageboards you are encountering are all nothing but retards maybe take a look in the mirror and realize that it is time for you to grow out of this retarded internet culture. it is nothing but a endless waste of time and useless discussions. Go hang out with your friends and work on projects, literally do anything other than hanging out on an imageboard or forum.

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Thread topics:

> How are your plants doing

> What have you planted recently
> Seed trade/Seed gifting
> Dealing with the local gov/assholes

How's your Friday /eco/?


> How are your plants doing

They died, I hate planting shit, it is a fucking meme, costs like a dollar at the store.


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what r some good plants to start with?

>t. Chad from Missouri


lol whut are you dooing? seeds are free. And like the easiest thing to steal at stores with a garden section


>>122 brassicas are a good place to start imo (kale, broccoli, radishes, mustard greens, etc.) grow pretty fast in a variety of conditions, you can eat all parts of the plant, also a good way to get a sense of plant life cycles and how to save seed

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Hi. I'm not sure how this works, but in the interest of furthering the exploration here, I add a little-known gem here. You will not find not much about this building technique in the English language and much less on English-language internet. Most of it is in German and practiced by people not very interested in books to be honest. So here's a short version in case someone might want to use this and can try to dig deeper.

Review of the book: "Bauen Mit Leichtlehm: Handbuch Für Das Bauen Mit Holz Und Lehm"
Have not read this book, but have worked with the technique it describes and heard this was the best handbook out there. It describes a type of natural building technique called "Light Clay" (Leichtlehm) which is ecologically sound with great insulation properties, as well as providing a breathable membrane to the house by diffusing gasses from inside to outside (both water vapor and toxic compounds, which is a structural pest in modern buildings). It is also immensely low-tech, uses materials that can often be sourced extremely locally and the whole structure of the building is practically compostable. What I like about the technique is it lends itself easily to straight building structures and doesn't automatically end up in the Hobbit-like clay structures you find in much COB aesthetics. We built most of a two-storey house in Light Clay.
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The clue to choosing right material and construction technique for each building is its environment. Local materials put to use will likely provide best results. In a forest, use logs. In desert use sand. Where is clay, use clay. Each biome has its own low-density organic materials. It can be straw, bark, moss, leaves, snow. Using them will let you make a best potentially biodegradable insulation without going for market products and using modern logistics. Also if feeling too guilty for cutting trees, using cars, oil products - at least you can plant a lot of trees to compensate that carbon footprint. When it comes to picking right design - it is important to consider two things: the scenarios of usage of object and the physical processes that take place when these scenarios are happening. I E.G. insulation is often considered a measure to keep the cold out. But in warm regions it sometimes works quite the opposite way - to keep heat out. Also, gas exchange and IR radiation play huge role in thermal balance of your artificial environment and resulting comfort of interacting with it. Different combinations of heat absorbant and resistant materials can give certain benefits or inconveniences. A building or its part can accumulate heat in got season and release it when temperature of environment is decreased. Known example - russian traditional brick stove that is a huge heat accumulator inside the building. In tropic regions with humid environment people developed methods to use flow of air to cool and dry the building long before electricity was used. Plants and lanscape can really change aerodynamics for building. Nowadays we can synthesize interesting solutions from different traditional and modern techniques, hardware and scenarios.


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I have read a quite few old books on old architecture, carpentry and circumnavigation/travels, and can anecdotally conclude that no uninstitutionalized global hivemind ever existed. It does not exist even today, with all the help of institutionalized technology such as Internet which allows places like this one to exist under the radar. Now, to explain what I just said. Let's take a look at typical pioneer/colonist architecture in North America as prime example. Whatever was built by cultures with long tradition and extensive knowledge of wooden architecture (Polish, Swedish, Finnish, Russians settlers) is done properly to all structural and insulating canons. Whatever is built by idiots with no clue (Anglos) looks like a firewood cord with mud plucked into holes. The archetypal "pioneer cabin" architecture North Americans love to show off with is no different in complexity from stuff Vitruvius[1] described 2000+ years ago in his book of architecture in relation to bronze tool locals of Black Sea shores or from V century forest slavs. There is no excuse for 18th century people with steel axes to build such inferior dwelling and not even consider doing it right.

[1] The Ten Books on Architecture; Vitruvius


Another example you mention, the Russian stove/oven design was common in place XV century onward from Poland, North Europe, ahead to Manchuria where it was parallel-invented as milder climate model, 'ondol'. Yet in Western Europe no such oven was even considered to be adopted. An English domestic economy encyclopaedia[2] author from 1830's cites Count Rumford (yes, that one who invented Soylent before it was cool in the Valley) about all the advantages of a Russian stove in regards to fuel savings (you don't have to heat up three stone walls facing outside, duh), fire hazards, downdrafts and carbon monoxide poisonings compared to a standard anglo fireplace, yet concludes that no such oven is needed neither in England, nor in America because they've got enough coal and forest to burn through, YOLO. These ovens are so effective that 18th century Japanese castaway/forced diplomat travelers described room temperatures as uncomfortably hot for them. There are even more modern additions to this stove design to improve ventilation (forced clean air intake) and efficiency (ground mass pre-heat and snake chamber). Whatever trend is enforced, it's enforced by governments or corporations (as evident in 19th century model of globalism in architectural styles or earlier examples of architects/builders specifically hired by monarchs), never as grassroots inter-regional and inter-national networking.

[2] An encyclopædia of domestic economy; Webster, Thomas; Parkes, William, Mrs


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I'm also interested in super secret ancient building techniques of whatever part of the world, but in reality things like meme wood joints of purely aesthetical "craftsmanship" types nobody ever uses outside of youtube video show-off are also common in European craft as well, it's just heavily urbanized industrial societies forgot to document them before abandoning altogether, and only rediscovering them as part of practical archaeology. My next favorite theme is sanitation. How many people have ever read Alexander Kira[3]? I doubt even renowned architects know who the heck that is because all the plumbing installations are selected from catalogues, and shitting porcelain bowl hasn't practically changed it's form since invention because westerners elites wore too tight pants to squat properly like humans are supposed to for most part of the past 500 years.[4]

[3] The Bathroom; Kira, Alexander
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/414308.The_Bathroom (unfortunately, no digitized copies yet)
[4] Brief description of wandering in northern seas; Katsuragawa Hoshu

P.S: what a weird character limit, absolutely horrible forum design.

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All respect to both Toensmeier and Jacke's work, but I wouldn't classify these books as essential as much as theory tomes for the nerds. If people want to get into forest gardening or agroforestry, there are examples of much more accessible and useful literature. For the temperate climate, Martin Crawford's books are still the best around as introductions. "Creating a Forest Garden" specifically and then the thematic species-oriented books on perennial vegetables, trees and bushes (each has a book).

The reason I wouldn't recommend Toensmeier and Jacke's two volumes for people starting out is that people often get stuck with principles, ideas and theories instead of practical advice to go ahead and grow some of the crops. I've seen this again and again with urbanites obsessing over which theory applies to this or that hypothetical situation, but having almost no growing experience. For the effort it takes to plow through hundreds of pages of dense ecological theory (and to it's defense, it's great as theory), the payoff is not worth it for beginners.


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Familiarize yourself, if you haven't already, with the USDA Cooperative Extension program. Universities in your state have relevant information for your growing zone and plenty of resources for what thrives well. They also offer classes and courses, but who knows for how much longer, so get in while you can.




stfu civ cuck


Neat. Thanks anon.


take advantage of resources to better be able to grow ur food.
cuck behaviour ?


Edgy internet nihilists don't need to grow their own food, they only need coffee and cigarettes to stay alive.

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Where should i plant a forest this spring / summer?

I will have 200-300 seedlings of pine trees and I want input on where to plant them.

Canada prefered cuz then i don't have to cross borders to plant a forest


Go to your parents, friends, and their friends. Plant them everywhere, in random parks, everywhere you can.


Agree w/ 63 that decentralised is best. you could look around for abandoned facilities and buildings in your area and accelerate their overgrowth. Graff and explorer kids would think it's tight as hell too

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agriculture is the literal foundation of civilization. this doesn't change because a bunch of smelly white hippies write books about it
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Glad you agree!


Ag refers to massified cultivation; mass production of particular food products. this will always require surplus labor (even if it is crystalized in tractors, seeders, threshers). Companion planting, no-till, biodynamic farming, etc. (what I assume op's hippies are writing about) has use for horticulturists but ultimately is applied mostly to organic agriculture which is on a scale that still depends on modern forms of slavery.
ag = civ


>>33 ""Growing shit" is an industrial mining process."

Holy fuck, this is loaded.

So if I grow a few plants by my room's window, I'm doing industrial mining. Better get on the stock exchange soon!

Also learn more about "com-mu-ni-ca-ting online", stupids. You guise read like a bunch of 12 year olds.


Lmao wut



So stop eating if you don't like it, oh wait.

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video: https://twitter.com/animal0lovers/status/1325417210882371584
anyone know more about this particular tarp condensation technique or where its being used? and/or your fav extremely sick lo tek innovations and interventions!


Cannot point to specifics at the moment but this group publishes the coolest shit on low-tech solutions: https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/


>low tech mag
King shit anon. I

I'm not sure I'm in the right climate for condensation tarp stuff. Is that suited more for more temperate or tropical areas?


seems like it should work anywhere theres any amount of dew, which is like most places i think? you just gotta knock it down before the sun evaporates it all off again so probably requires an early morning round with a handful of tennis balls or sticks and a solid throwing arm

+>9000 on lowtech mag. its a solar powered website too, and they made a print ‘book’ as a backup to access the website when its cloudy outside of barcelona and the servers are down ;)


Moisture farming. It's being increasingly used in very hot and usually dry environments like around the Med, both African and southern Spain, where they just started realizing they could retrofit those awful massive greenhouses into moisture farms (but there are still many idiots over there who just won't, because).

It appears to be working by trapping soil moisture under a tarp that blocks humidity while creating a condensation effect with solar heating. A good way to make relatively clean water, even tho it might take long.

Pretty inefficient in other hemispheres as it seems to require a lot of solar heat.

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